time for "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. take it away. >> the mayhem has only just become. north carolina is off and running, arkansas, kentucky and georgia are about to put their primaries in the past. but which current colleagues are causing the most concern for the majority leader? we have more from my harry reid interview. and as the outcry over the v.a. hospital horror stories continue and the alleged coverups grow louder on capitol hill, an unusual move to acquire e-mails from a cabinet secretary before he testifies. >> plus, ahead of mother's day, we have a fun new poll question for you. about the feelings on the self-proclaimed mom in chiefs and her immediate predecessors. it might surprise you who the country most admires and where in the country lives depends on who you admire. happy friday.

it's may 9th, 2014. the president devoted his entire day raising money from the country as largest atm machine, the state of california. he's been at events in los angeles and silicon valley. he warned democrats shouldn't be sitting out the mid terms. >> democrats have a congenital defect when it comes to our politics and that is we like voting during presidential years and during the mid terms we don't vote. our future is bright if people shake off whatever's holding them back and they go to the polls. >> the president does finally, by the way, have a public, nonpolitical event today in california. he's planning on giving a speech on energy efficiency at a

walmart in silicon valley. some labor groups actually aren't too happy with that appearance saying, quote, it sends a terrible message to workers across america. the president's aggressive fund-raising is the latest move of what's been a busy week in the 2014 battle for the senate. in north carolina, the democratic aligned senate majority super pac goes up today with a pretty hefty buy against the new republican nominee, tom tillis. it's a pretty unusual ad. take a look at it. >> i'm here watching tom tillis win his party's nomination for senate. he's making promises but take a look. tom tillis gave tax break for the wealthy and raised taxes on 80% of northern carolinians. >> that wasn't photo shopped. a campaign worker went to his victory party and taped that ad there. and kay hagan made an aggressive

case for the medicare expansion at a senate hearing yesterday and she defended the health care law in an interview with her hometown paper say, quote, i voted for it. i think there are common sense fixes that must be made to this bill, but i also talked to people across north carolina who have seen the difference that it has made in their lives." now, embattled senator mark pryor appeared with the president this week touring tornado damage. the president lost arkansas by 24 minutes to 2012 and a lot of people want to read politics into this one. pryor there with the president, ah. come on, folks. it would have been strange if pryor had not appeared after a tragedy. it would have been strange for the president not to visit a disaster zone like arkansas with these tornadoes. yes, pryor did lobby the white house for disaster aid after the storm. it's what they do. and in a new folksy dad

featuring his dad, cows and a red pickup truck. and allison grimes is out with her tv ad. let's take a listen to it. >> change can still happen here. after she met with our military in the middle east, allison lundergren grimes came home and brought crafts and republicans together. >> that's right. we're in bio time in some of these races f. there's some good news on the rnc side of the party. they're leaving the more conservative tea party rivals behind. the campaign in georgia between the two top establishment guys have gotten fierce. purdue revealed that he wrote another million dollar check to his campaign last month.

and kingston's campaign is dropping mailers, attacking purdue on common core and tying him to president obama, trying to go to his right. another bit of good news for senate republicans is what's going on in montana. a new democratic poll shows that the republican congressman steve daines leads appointed democratic senator john walsh by double digits. it con firms what we've been hearing for a while, it is creeping into territory where democrats may end up walking away from it. finally on the money front, politico reports that the koch brothers plan to spend more than $125 million this year to boost conservatives. the group has already spent more than $35 million on democrats attacking senate races. not surprisingly the koch brothers was a big part of my conversation with senate majority leader harry reid because he doesn't miss a chance

to talk about the koch brothers and about democratic chances of holding senate. so here's that part of the interview. >> let's talk about the battle for you to keep your majority leader title. how confident are you? >> hey, listen. we should ask your opinion. last time around you said i'd lose the senate. >> i know. you have proven us wrong. i don't bet against harry reid anymore. obviously your political acumen is as good as anybody's. let me ask you this. what senate race concerns you the most? what's the one that you're going to focus on that tells you democrats are going to hold? >> there's not one race. in spite of the huge amount of money the koch brothers have spent, we're competitive in every race they've spent a lot of this money on. we're doing just fine. now, i understand the last six months and that's what it is now is going to be difficult, but also understand this, you and

all the other pundits. all this money being spent with this crazy opinion rendered by the supreme court says it's united, that they can hide behind all this money, free speech is free and the moneyre money you have, the more free the speech is. come september, that money is not going to matter because we're going to be spending under statuary limits. >> you believe this is about you staying competitive in the next three months. >> yeah -- >> you feel you're going to be financially outspent over the next three months? >> yes. and we've been able to stay way above the water level and that's really good. >> you're a political junkie. what's the poll numbers you'd like to look at every day or the senate races you'd like to find out how is so and so doing? >> we have the registration going on around the country

that's important. and you cannot develop overnight the ability to register lots of people. we've been working on this for a long time and we are registering lots of people as we speak in states where they need to be registered. >> and those are? >> we're doing a good job in north carolina, louisiana, arkansas and other places. >> you -- >> and that's registering voters. >> you have spent a lot of time on the koch brothers, a lot of times have noted how much time you spend on the senate floor talking about the koch brothers. they're sort of the face this year for the outside money for the republican side. but what makes them worse than, say, sheldon adelson or michael bloomberg or george soros or or tom sires. there's a lot of people throwing money at this campaign. >> these are the two richest people in the world.

that's their goal here is to add zeros to their billions. >> you don't think that's the case with addel san? he spent a hundred billion. >> i know sheldon adelson. he's not in it to make money. he has certain ideological views. now adelson, social views are in keeping with the democrats on choice and all kinds of things. he had a beef with organized labor a few years ago and he previously was a democrat. so sheldon adelson, don't pick on him. he's not in it to make money. the koch brothers are in this -- >> you believe they're in this for personal profit? >> yes, yes. i've talked about it, i've used their name on the floor for a long time. university of massachusetts determined they're one of the worst polluters in america. they pollute more than exxon, johnson electric, dow chemical and on and on.

they are in it to make money. anything that affects their bottom line, they oppose it. they have warned republicans you do anything that's green, we will oppose you. how's that? >> so what do we do with the system? i know you're supportive of the constitutional amendment that tom udall it talking about and the -- but the supreme court has said you can go crazy with disclosure. mitch mcconnell was a big fan of disclosure in 1999. and for better or worse, mitch mcconnell's predictions on mccain-feingold have turned out to be true. why not say raise limits and disclosure and bring the money into the system? >> let's talk about what we tried to do. we friday when we had 59

senators, we tried to pass disclosure laws. we got 59 votes. john mccain and i came to the house together and we came to the senate together. i like john mccain, i think he's one of america's great politicians and just people, but john mccain voted against that. he could have been the 60th vote, but he didn't. i didn't expect it from anyone else. i expected it from him. >> relationship between harry reid and john mccain has run i would say hot and cold. i think it's more cold and chillier lately. by the way, senator reid told me yesterday that he had overcome more than 500 filibusters since 2007. it's also a claim the president made just this week. this morning "the washington post" fact checker gives the 500 filibuster claim four pinocchios. according to post number cruncher, since 2007 there have been 528 cloture motions that have been filed to end debates on bills but there have just

been 133 successful filibusters, meaning a final vote could not have taken place. 527, if you use that number, some of those were democrats holding things up as well. it is a little bit of a misleading number. "the washington post" concludes if you want to just talk about legislation and pinning the blame on republicans filibustering, the number should be something like 50. >> still ahead, the surprising admission by harry reid on benghazi. plus russian president vladimir putin makes his first visit to crimea since he annexed it. but first a look at the daily planner. we have more on the v.a. outcry right after the break. you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just "everything at the hardware store." not "everything, until you hit your cash back limit." quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back

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turning to the growing outcry over what's going on at the v.a., the have. >> -- v.a. secretary eric shinseki is set to testify about hiding excessive wait times to make it look like they were dealing with their infamous backlog. as many as 40 veterans may have died while waiting for care. shinseki has ordered an audit of wait lists. on thursday a house committee voted to subpoena a month's worth of e-mails and shinseki and seven of his top officials.

the e-mails had been requested previously but the department stone walled him and the committee forcing them to issue the subpoena. >> it's unfortunate that we have to come to this decision but we did not do this without some substantial justification. i trust the v.a. will have the good sense to not further ignore the request that this committee has made. >> some bipartisan wrath is about to come down on shinseki and the v.a. the v.a. says it's reviewing the question and has until may 19th respond. an employees reportedly told investigators he was told to deliberately manipulate wait times. a clerk ft. collins told the same story.

there was testimony in congress about a review of the v.a. policy and deborah draper said "staff at clinics changed desired dates to show v.a.'s performance within the goals. >> if we are serious about making sure our veterans are properly paid care and about a clean energy economy, then we have to fix congress. >> putting the blame on congress on this one is going to be tough. the white house is supporting secretary shinseki right now in face of calls for his resignation from at least a couple of republican senators but more importantly the american legion. but speaker boehner says firing shinseki isn't going to solve the problem. >> i'm not ready to join the chorus of people calling for him to step down. there is a systemic management

issue throughout the v.a. that needs to be addressed. and i don't believe that just changing someone at the top is going to actually get to the solutions that many of us are looking for. >> nbc's chief correspondent jim miklaszewski has been reporting on this for some time now this is something i've heard over the last six months, this is a systemic issue inside the v.a. >> absolutely. historically medical treatment at v.a. hospitals is rated pretty high. the problem is getting into the hospital in the first place. and we heard those, you know, podium pounding remarks from the president, we got to fix this. well, you know what? the buck starts here. and one of the problems if you talk to serious people within the v.a. is that the entire system is totally overwhelmed. there are just too many veterans

with too few resources. in fact, the whistleblower who revealed all this wait list business and possible criminal activity at the v.a. hospital in phoenix told me yesterday, look, we're understaffed, we don't have the resources to deal with the mounting number of veterans seeking treatment at veterans hospitals. after all, the greatest generation here in america, to quote tom brokaw, is now the country's oldest generation and they need medical care and a lot of it. and a lot of those are veterans. so that gets to the crux of the problem. now, what some individuals are doing in creating wait lists and the like may be criminal if in fact they were doing so to get bonuses that are paid to some of those administrators to reduce that wait time. >> let's peel back the onion ir

to call it that, which is washington in response to the back log issue, the v.a. leadership in washington created and tried to use an incentive structure to speed up, to get their local v.a. regional hospitals and things look that to speed up and get through the back log and this is where we think the funny business happened, right? >> absolutely. once it stops somewhere, it's somewhat incestuous. you know it's going to spread out as the word gets out. hey, if you create this secret list on the side, you can reduce the wait list time on the record and sometimes get thousands, up to $10,000 and more dollars in bonuses zip want to tu es bonuses. >> i want to turn back to the shinseki issue. he has a lot of personal, bipartisan relationships on capitol hill, but the whispers you hear about general shinseki are not that he's not capable of being the cabinet secretary, but that in this moment when you

need sort of loud leadership at the v.a., that his persona might not be the right fit for this job, that somebody like a general odierno, somebody who would be able to pound his fist and get congress to act if he needed money, that they need somebody with a little more public heft. >> you know, i've followed shinseki for years, first as a general and now as secretary of veterans affairs. that's just not his style. he does not get out -- an interesting anecdote. when as chief of staff of the army when he decided to change all the covers, the caps for the soldiers, you know, he went to berets but the soldiers resisted. and when he was offered a full page in the army times to explain himself to the soldiers, explain that decision, he told the army times, look, i'm the army chief of staff, i don't need to explain anything to my troops. that's just his persona.

i agree with you. they need somebody out there who is aggressive and pro active. he is internally but you can't tell it looking at him. >> and i think that that seems to be the issue for these folks anyway. jim mic miklaszewski, thanks ve much. >> russian president vladimir putin arrived to crimea today as if he was a hero. his trip today is part of a series of major russian military celebrations to mark victory day in the defeat of nazi germany. his visit puts him just a few hundred miles from some of the worst fighting taking place in ukraine. this morning in southeastern

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tim told about his dad, big russ, and his work ethic. >> i said, mr. russert, you have 200 sick days. i said, dad, 200 sick days? why didn't you take your sick days? he said because i wasn't sick. keep working. never look back. always show up. always do your job, always be prepared. >> well, that's the work ethic that luke russert says inspired him at a young age and still sustains him now that's he a member of our family. now luke has written a new preface for the tenth anniversary "big tim and me." we remember him as a tough, fair and objective moderator of identify meet the press" and his approach to explaining the elections when all the major networks called it wrong. >> if you just stayed with the

simple boards, you wouldn't have those problems, tom. this is the answer. >> luke said it was his father's time, not his notoriety that made a difference in his own life. "there are many different walks of life in this country, but fatherhood is the great equalizer. you don't have to be rich to be a good dad, don't have to have a fancy degree to be a good dad. you just have to care." i'm joined by our friend luke russert to talk about the anniversary of "big russ & me." when you were writing this, how hard was it to write this preface? >> originally i was not looking forward to it. part of the reason why i did it was because i sort of came to this conclusion -- so many

people talk to me about my father. i said i wanted to put it into words and not just have the fragmented conversation and fragmented articles. after writing it, it was so cathartic. >> it reads cathartic. you poured yourself into it. >> i sat at my kitchen table and banged away at my laptop for many, many hours. and completing it and going through the edits, it was my own tribute and sort of my offering. this is who my dad is, this is how i saw him. it's all i got to say. i hope you like it and i hope you enjoy it. >> i thought you were constantly touching on the theme of the work life balance and you were in usa of your father's ability to pull it off. >> right. >> it's the greatest challenge that a lot of us have. >> you have a schedule very similar to my father's. >> it's one of those things --

he would make phone calls in the afternoon sometimes to me. i had a family member with a medical issue. i told him very loosely about it and he'd just call me up six hours later, i had no idea he sort of remembered me telling about it a week before and finding out what's going on. >> i was not appreciative of it when i knew him, until i started working here. when i started working here and i saw how hard you works how hard andrea works. your schedules start at 6 a.m. and go all the way until 9:00 at night. he saw all my games, he saw me all the time. i can't imagine being awake since 6 a.m. and coming home and have to do seventh grade vocabulary cards and math tests, it was probably the last thing in the world he wanted to do but he did it all the time. >> and the neat thing is how he

promotes family around here. anybody who was having a new baby, no matter who it was, he had this way, he would write a note to the new child. >> that's right. >> one of the neatest little things. nobody advertises it. >> because it's the most important thing. >> he made that clear. >> and for all the accolades, you guys are journalists. he was more proud of being a father. that's what that book was about. that's what he wanted his legacy to be about. be a good father, be a good son, talk to your own dad. he wrote -- a lot of folks who came from that general racial who had the world war ii fathers who didn't say much, i still have people who come up to me and they tear up and say this book allowed me to talk to my dads. i hope it allows them to bring them closer to their fathers. >> your dad would want me to check in on your beat. we have to do the double duty thing. before we get to what's going on on the house side, i asked harry

reid about benghazi and whether there needs to be a senate version of what the house select committee is trying to do. >> there's a heated debate on whether they should participate in the house committee on benghazi. should democrats participate on this committee? >> let hoyer and pelosi handle that. i don't need to got into it. this is an important issue. there's no scandal there. it's a tragedy. 25,000 pages of documents they have. >> let me ask you this. do you have any unanswered questions on benghazi? >> i haven't had time to read anything, 25,000 pages. but that's enough. enough is enough. this is an issue -- i'm not trying to in any way minimize the deaths that took place. that's a sad commentary.

but the stuff the house does -- >> senate republicans want in on this. is the senate going to participate? >> we're not creating any jobs. no. we're not create anything jobs, doing nothing about climate change. all they want to do is have hearings. >> we just heard the senate is not getting involved period. and that he hasn't read everything is going to be a lot of those on the right. >> there is this conflict within the caucus as to whether or not to participate. you have one side of guys like jim clyburn who was on your side yesterday who say we don't want any involvement in this because it legitimatizes it. then you have the other folks that say let's assist the gop and make them look stupid. elijah cummings wants a position

on that panel because he believes he cannot only make the gop look like they're going down a rabbit hole for political reasons but he wants to provide protection to hillary clinton, susan rice, if they are subpoenaed. do you legitimatize the hearing or provide a defense for your possible nominee. >> we expect something from nancy pelosi on this at 11:00 this morning. >> we shall see. >> luke russert, nice work on this. >> appreciate it. thanks for having me on. >> in book stores everywhere. >> and on your amazon. >> next up, the debate over the ohio fight. first or tdr soup of the day is in the debate of a different kind. no matter where you find on the age old argument over whether chilli is a soup, stew or its own category, we can't do a soup of the day without talking about

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since couples have filed suit to overturn the ban arguing that it violates their constitutional rights. >> sometimes you just have to step up and fight for what you believe in. >> not just us, every couple in the gblt community will be able to get married in the state of ohio. >> the ban was dealt a heavy legal blow a month ago when the court ruled ohio must recognize same-sex marriages from other states. the 33 states that now prohibit same-sex marriage, lawsuits have been filed to challenge the ban in all but four of those states. back in ohio, it's still a contentious issue but like the rest of the country, public opinion is shifting. in 2004, 62% of ohioans defined marriage as a man and woman.

just 33% were in favor of it. now a majority of ohioans favor same-sex marriage. narrowly, but it is a majority. joining me two ohio office holders in the past. former republican secretary of state in hooip owe and also ted strickland, thank you both for joining me. mr. blackwell, let me start with you. does it make sense for states to have different laws on marriage? doesn't that creep into the territory that our constitution is supposed to protect, which is the issue of having equal rights? >> well, one, there's no place in the constitution that says anyone has to right to redefine marriage. marriage has been determined at the state level and i think in

ohio that issue was revolved in 2004. and if anyone wants to argue with that opinion of the people of the state of ohio, they can do it at the ballot box. but i find it interesting that the proponents of same-sex marriage could not get on the same page, could not put an issue on the ballot before the people in the state of ohio and give the people the right to reaffirm their 2004 decision or change it. so we invite that debate, that discussion because i believe that the popular will of the people of the state of ohio is in fact still the same. >> governor strickland, you look at the poll numbers. why not take secretary of state blackwell up on that offer, organize democrats, get it on the ballot box. >> we will. >> that's your plan? >> absolutely.

the signatures will be collected, we'll take it to the people. >> and should that be the way to resolve this? mr. blackwell thinks it should be resolved that way. do you think it should be resolved that way? >> that's one way. but i also believe what the federal courts have said thus far leads us to the legitimate conclusion that this is discrimination, it's inconsistent with our constitution and that marriage equality should be the law of the land. but how it happens in ohio is yet to be determined, but it will happen in ohio, if not sooner, chuck, it will happen in 2016. right now 71% of the young people between 18 and 28 years of age favor marriage equality. history is moving in the direction of equality. it will happen in ohio as it will happen across the country. >> do you think the supreme court made a mistake in how it

interpreted, made its decision on prop 8 in california, which essentially threw out prop 8, allowed california to overturn it, but really left a very ambiguous finding when it came to what to do about same-sex marriage, which now has led to this legal confusion, i would argue, that's taking place in the 33 states that haven't made same-sex marriage legal? >> well, chuck, let me start by saying that we have a constitutional lecturer in the white house who when he did his 180 lecture on the issue, he said that states have a right, that people have a right to make that determination. so i don't see any difference between what the president said at the point of his new-found position on marriage and what the supreme court has basically said, is that states still have that fundamental right to make the decision. i want to go back to the point

that nobody on the basis of affection or love has a right to redefine marriage. marriage has been defined as a union between one man and one w for over 200 -- 2,500 years. and it is important that you should recognize that once you make love the basis of the definition of marriage, then you open it up to possibly going down a slippery slope what in fact says that two men and one woman, and two men and one man who are in love and process fess their love don't have the right to be married, and you don't want to go down that, and it is going to undo and unwind hundreds of years of the property rights values in this country. >> and governor strictland, i want you to deal with the issue of what he brought up about the president and sending it to

states. did he make a mistake when he threw that out there with the states, and it has led to the legal confusion? >> well, there is a lot of confusion -- >> i am not saying na he did it, but led to it, and supporting for the states to do this, and this is leading to a roadblock in the federal courts. >> and the point is that state after state saying that discrimination is wrong, and that marriage equality is what we ought to e embrace as a people. it is happening. younger people in ohio, and 52% of people in ohio in the latest poll, and they are quint es s quintessential middle mark and even now in ohio people favor marriage equality. >> and mr. blackwell, public opinion, if this is where it turns, do you stop campaigning? does there become a point where the social conservative community accepts gay marriage? >> i accept the constitution of

the united states and how the constitution defines how people can change the laws of this land. at the end of the day i welcome the resurgence of the debate. only one poll that really counts that expresses the will of the people and that's the poll taken at the ballot box, and bring it on. >> okay. well, i think that it sounds like in 2016, we could have a rerun of what 20041 like with the same-sex marriage, and thank you so much for both of you to come on together, and it is very polite and robust debate. and thank you, sir. >> you guys have a great day. >> thank you. and harold burton and howard taft were senators when harold

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